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Washington, D.C. Newsroom, Jun 5, 2025 / 12:35 pm (CNA).

Archdiocese of New York Superintendent of Schools Sister Mary Grace Walsh, ASCJ, announced this week the launch of a school renewal plan and the final results of a school viability study.

On June 3, the archdiocese laid out the first part of the Elementary School Renewal Plan based on the results of the School Viability Study (SVS), which assessed every elementary school in the archdiocese between October 2024 and January 2025 in order "to ensure the long-term sustainability and effectiveness of Catholic education within the community." 

The two-part school renewal plan, according to a press release, will evaluate four key areas for each school: mission and Catholic identity, governance and leadership, academic excellence, and operational vitality. The second part of the plan will be released in September.

"All schools, whether strong or in need of additional support, will work together with the archdiocese to implement these renewal efforts," Walsh said. 

Schools will address each of the four focus points of the renewal plan by engaging in reflection and planning throughout the fall. If needed, schools will receive direct support from external consultants to help with future planning and will receive feedback and approval. 

"The renewal process is not always easy, but it brings with it the promise of transformation and growth," Walsh said.

"Let us hold onto the promise of Revelation 21:5, trusting that God's continual work of renewal and transformation is at the heart of everything we do," she said. "Together, we will continue to nurture faith, knowledge, and community in our students, confident that God is with us as we move forward in this time of renewal."

The SVS was conducted "across 77 parish and regional elementary schools along with two Archdiocese of New York Initiative campuses to assess their alignment with the National Standards and Benchmarks for Effective Catholic Elementary and Secondary Schools (NSBECS)."

Eighteen staff members from the Superintendent of Schools Office in the archdiocese visited the schools to hold conversations with each principal, gather data, observe, and then report on their findings. 

The study found that Catholic schools in the Bronx present a "diverse educational landscape, with schools experiencing varying levels of sustainability." 

While "several schools are thriving, supported by strong finances, academic excellence, and active parish partnerships," some other schools "were determined to be unsustainable and recommended for closure."

In February, the archdiocese announced that Our Lady of Refuge and St. Lucy School in the Bronx and St. Mark the Evangelist in Manhattan would close at the end of the 2024-2025 school year. In May, the archdiocese shared that Mt. Carmel-Holy Rosary School in Manhattan would close at the same time. 

"Parish-based schools are a particular strength in Manhattan," the study reported. The area was found to have some of the highest-performing schools in the archdiocese. 

Ultimately, however, the two Manhattan schools were recommended for closure due to enrollment and financial considerations. 

"We understand the emotional impact these closures have on the students, families, and communities, and we trust in God's providence to guide us to new opportunities," Walsh said.

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Vatican City, Jun 5, 2025 / 14:51 pm (CNA).

In his audience with members of the Vatican Secretariat of State on Thursday, Pope Leo XIV thanked them for their support in the first month of his pontificate.

Among those present was Cardinal Pietro Parolin, Vatican secretary of state, who introduced the meeting with a brief address. Also participating was Archbishop Edgar Peña Parra, substitute for general affairs of the Secretariat of State.

Archbishop Paul Richard Gallagher, secretary of relations with states within the Secretariat of State, did not participate in the audience because he is in Cuba for the 90th anniversary of relations between that Caribbean country and the Holy See.

At the outset of his speech, Pope Leo thanked the Secretariat of State for assisting him in the "first steps" of his pontificate and for "carrying forward the mission" entrusted to him.

"It comforts me to know that I am not alone and that I can share the responsibility of my universal ministry with you," he said.

Then, extemporaneously, he said that "it is evident that the pope cannot continue alone and that it is very necessary to be able to count on the collaboration of many in the Holy See" and especially with the Secretariat of State.

He also recalled the beginnings of this institution, which date back to the end of the 15th century, and its evolution over the years, highlighting that currently almost half of the Secretariat of State is made up of laypeople and more than 50 women.

For the pope, this development reflects "the face of the Church: We share together the questions, difficulties, challenges, and hopes of the people of God present throughout the world," always expressing "two essential dimensions: incarnation and catholicity."

"We are incarnated in time and history, because if God has chosen the path of humanity and the languages ??of humanity, the Church is also called to follow this path, so that the joy of the Gospel may reach all and be mediated in today's cultures and languages," he emphasized.

He also reflected on the "Catholic" and universal perspective, which allows for the appreciation of different cultures and sensibilities, serving as "a driving force committed to forging communion between the Church of Rome and the local Churches" as well as with the international community.

For the Holy Father, these two dimensions "have become increasingly constitutive of the Curia's work," marking a path that has guided the reform of the Roman Curia carried out by St. Paul VI.

The pope also explained that incarnation "refers to the concreteness of reality and to the specific and particular themes addressed by the various bodies of the Curia."

On the other hand, he emphasized the Church's universal character, recalling that "the mystery of the Church's multiform unity demands a work of synthesis that can assist the pope's action." This bond of unity, he explained, is carried out by the Secretariat of State.

Pope Leo XIV cited Praedicate Evangelium, Pope Francis' apostolic constitution on the Roman Curia and its service to the Church in the world.

"I know that these tasks are very demanding and, at times, may not be fully understood. Therefore, I wish to express my closeness to you and, above all, my deep gratitude," he said.

The pope also expressed his gratitude for their "hidden work" in the service of the Church and for "the evangelical spirit that inspires it" while asking them that this place "not be contaminated by ambitions or antagonisms."

"Be, instead, a true community of faith and charity, of brothers and sisters and sons and daughters of the pope," who give their all generously for the good of the Church, the pope urged.

After entrusting them to the intercession of the Virgin Mary, he thanked them for their prayers for their ministry and imparted his blessing.

This story was first published by ACI Prensa, CNA's Spanish-language news partner. It has been translated and adapted by CNA.

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CNA Staff, Jun 5, 2025 / 15:21 pm (CNA).

In 1928, Father Joseph Steiger, a priest at St. Joseph's in Earling, Iowa, was approached with an urgent concern. A 46-year-old woman named Emma Schmidt was experiencing blackouts, aversions to holy objects, and other terrible afflictions. After years of extensive psychiatric treatment provided no relief, Schmidt's priest suggested an exorcism. 

Father Theophilus Riesinger, a Capuchin friar, was assigned to perform the exorcism while Steiger would be the stenographer. After a 23-day battle, Schmidt was freed from her affliction and able to live the rest of her life in peace.

The exorcism of Schmidt remains the most thoroughly documented and widely publicized exorcism in American history and now a new movie has been made to tell the story. "The Ritual," starring Al Pacino, Dan Stevens, Ashley Greene, and Patricia Heaton, will be released in theaters on June 6.

Father Aaron Williams, pastor and rector of St. Mary's Basilica in Natchez, Mississippi, served as the consultant on the film and spoke to CNA about his experience on set, what his role entailed, and why Catholics should consider watching the movie.

Williams explained that the filmmakers first approached him to ask if they could receive permission to film in St. Mary's Basilica.

"Sometimes as a priest I get nervous about people's particular sort of fanatic obsession with exorcisms because it can be spiritually dangerous and we don't want to be walking down that path," he told CNA. "But, at the same time, it is real and people need to know it's real." 

"So when the script was shown to me when they were proposing filming here, that's what really opened my mind to it because what I started to see was they were taking this with the level of severity that I appreciated," Williams said. 

After giving them permission to film in the basilica, Williams was approached by the filmmakers to serve as a consultant who could advise on the spiritual aspects of the film. Williams accepted the invitation because he "wanted to be involved with helping to convey a true story in a really accurate way."

The priest, who has a master's degree in liturgical studies and is currently pursuing a doctorate, said that the film's director, David Midell, was very willing to take his advice. Williams said on multiple occasions he made suggestions to Midell that would then be immediately changed in the script.

"He [Midell] told me over and over again that he wasn't trying to film a religious movie so to say, but he did want religious people, especially Catholics, who would view the film to feel like they had been respected," Williams said.

He also pointed out that all of the crew "were very respectful of the spaces. The Blessed Sacrament was always removed from the church for any takes inside. There was never any vulgarity anywhere in the church. And every instruction I gave them — they never questioned anything."

The cast and crew filmed at the basilica for three months. During this time, Williams shared that he came to see them as his parishioners and made sure to minister to them. He offered Mass weekly — with several non-Catholic cast and crew members attending — blessed the set daily, and even helped guide a crew member to find information about becoming Catholic.

One of the Catholics on set was well-known actress Patricia Heaton, who portrays Mother Superior in the film. 

In an interview with CNA, Heaton shared that she was drawn to the role because the filmmakers "treated the subject matter seriously and not really sensationally."

Heaton spoke about the film's portrayal of religious men and women and that while the exorcism itself is the major plotline, the film also focuses on the individuals taking part in the ritual and their own personal struggles.

"Priests and nuns are human beings and they're often portrayed in Hollywood as sort of silly or there's a lot of caricatures of the religious in Hollywood. And I feel like this movie makes them fleshed-out human beings," Heaton said. 

When describing how the Church is portrayed in the movie, Williams referred to the late Pope Francis' message of the Church being a "field hospital." 

"You have all of these sort of broken people, and the priests and the sisters in this movie are themselves broken people, but they're all coming together as the Church, as the body of Christ, and ministering to one of their own who's suffering," he said. 

Both Williams and Heaton agreed on the importance of Catholics being aware that demonic possession is real but that it's also important not to become overly interested in it. Williams used the metaphor of a wound to describe possession. If a significant spiritual wound is left untreated it will start to get infected and can become "spiritually devastating to us."

"How do we avoid possessions? We don't avoid possessions by spending all our time on Google finding out what causes possessions, right? … No. The way you avoid these things, rather than filling your head with knowledge about what causes it, is you go and live a spiritually good life — you frequent the sacraments," he said. 

Williams said he believes Catholics should watch the film in order to inform themselves as well as to see "how the Church functions — you have this lost sheep and the Church puts all her resources together to go and save this one person. And I think that's a really great message that Catholics need to hear. It's the love of God, it's the love of the Church, and I think it's worth watching if you approach it through that lens."

"I want them [Catholics] to take away the sense that this is actually how the Church cares for us and how God cares for us and his mercy is so much more powerful than anything the enemy can do," he said.

Heaton said she hopes Catholics will watch the movie because she believes it is "a way to reaffirm the importance of the Church here on Earth" and hopes that the film will encourage viewers "to pursue personal sanctification." 

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Vatican City, Jun 5, 2025 / 08:54 am (CNA).

Pope Leo XIV on Thursday named Uganda-born Father Simon Peter Engurait, a former business analyst who became a priest at age 41, to lead the Diocese of Houma-Thibodaux in southeastern Louisiana.

The 53-year-old priest, ordained for the diocese in 2013, has acted as diocesan administrator since the death of Bishop Mario Dorsonville in January 2024.

"While I am still shocked by the news that the Lord has asked me to be a bishop, I must admit that knowing the people of this diocese brings me great comfort in saying yes," the bishop-elect said in a statement published to the Houma-Thibodaux Diocese's website on June 5.

"South Louisiana is home, and I love the people here. It is a privilege to say yes to you as much as I am saying yes to God. I love you, and I consider it a great honor to serve you as your bishop," he added.

Engurait, who was also the diocesan vicar general and served as pastor of St. Bridget Parish since 2017, was ordained a priest on May 25, 2013, after entering seminary in the diocese in 2007 at the age of 36.

The Diocese of Houma-Thibodaux in southeastern Louisiana has an estimated 90,000 Catholics, around 38% of the total population of the territory.

The diocese has many foreign-born priests. The diocese's most recent bishop, the late Dorsonville, was also born outside of the U.S., in Bogotá, Colombia.

Bishop-elect Engurait was born in Ngora in the eastern region of Uganda on Aug. 28, 1971. He is the seventh of 14 children, one of whom is a female religious in the Franciscan order and another a diocesan priest.

He was raised Catholic and attended both junior high and high school minor seminaries. He started major seminary before dropping out midway to pursue a bachelor's degree in political science and public administration at Makerere University in Kampala.

After graduation, Engurait worked for 11 years for the government of Uganda in the department for the reform and divestiture of public enterprises. He later pursued a graduate degree in business administration in the Netherlands and went on to work in human resources, procurement, and business analysis, holding positions from entry level to management.

While in major seminary as a young man in Uganda, he had a life-changing encounter with the Catholic charismatic renewal, leading him to get involved and hold leadership positions in the movement.

Through the charismatic renewal, he met Bishop Sam Jacobs, then the bishop of Houma-Thibodaux (bishop emeritus since 2013), in 2003. After years of prayer and discernment, Engurait was accepted into seminary in the Diocese of Houma-Thibodaux by Jacobs in 2007.

Since his ordination in 2013, he has served as associate pastor in several parishes, including St. Bridget since 2017.

His various diocesan roles have included moderator of the curia and coordinator of Christian formation, vicar general for administration, and vicar general and moderator of the curia. He has also been a board member for Catholic Charities.

After the sudden death of Dorsonville on Jan. 19, 2024, Engurait was elected to administer the diocese until the appointment of a bishop. Bishop-elect Engurait will succeed Dorsonville as the diocese's sixth bishop.

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Washington, D.C. Newsroom, Jun 5, 2025 / 10:00 am (CNA).

Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of Chicago is using a lobbying firm that supports pro-abortion political candidates and lobbies for abortion providers, raising concerns that the relationship could amount to cooperation with evil by the charitable entity.

Since 2022, Catholic Charities of Chicago has contracted with Cozen O'Connor Public Strategies to lobby on its behalf before the State of Illinois. Cozen O'Connor is a national lobbying firm with offices in major cities across the country, including New York; Washington, D.C.; and Chicago.

According to the Illinois State Board of Elections, Cozen O'Connor donated $3,500 in 2024 to Personal PAC, a political action committee in Illinois that supports pro-choice candidates at the state and local levels. The firm donated $3,000 in 2023 and $3,500 in 2024, while an individual employee of the firm donated $1,000 in 2024 and an additional $1,000 in 2025 to the pro-abortion organization. 

Cozen O'Connor also gave $1,500 to Preckwinkle for President, the campaign fund for Cook County Board of Commissioners president and vocal abortion supporter Toni Preckwinkle. The firm also lobbies the state government on behalf of Rush University Medical Center, which performs abortions, according to a May 12 report by the Chicago Sun Times.

Catholic Charities of Chicago, the Archdiocese of Chicago, and Cozen O'Connor all declined to comment about the arrangement.

According to Cozen O'Connor's website, the firm's lobbyist assigned to the Catholic Charities of Chicago account is Patrick G. Martin, who is also a member of the Catholic Charities of Chicago Mercy Society and on its government advisory committee. According to public records, Martin himself does not appear to do any pro-abortion lobbying work.

Prior to hiring Cozen O'Connor, from 2016 to 2022, Catholic Charities of Chicago had employed Illinois lobbyist Nancy Kimme of Advantage Government Strategies. In 2019, Kimme, a pro-life Republican, brought on former Illinois Rep. Lou Lang, a Democrat, as a partner in the firm. While serving in the state Legislature, in 2017 Lang co-sponsored a bill that, among other things, removed language from state law describing an unborn child as a human being and allowed abortion to be covered by the state's Medicaid program.

According to public records over the past five years, Lang also made multiple donations to Personal PAC.

Catholic Charities of Chicago is the official charitable arm of the Catholic Church in the third-largest city in the U.S., which is home to more than 2 million Catholics and is the birthplace of Pope Leo XIV. It operates with a budget of $180 million, according to its website, and has more than 1,200 employees, providing critical services that support children, families, and immigrants.

Catholic teaching on cooperation with evil

Catholic moral theology and the Church's definitive teaching that human life is sacred from conception to natural death raise the question about whether it is considered cooperation with evil, and subsequently ethically problematic, for Catholic Charities to contract with a lobbying firm that supports abortion. 

Catholic moral theology distinguishes between formal and material cooperation with evil. Formal cooperation is when someone who participates in an immoral act intends the same evil as the main person carrying it out. Material cooperation, however, is when a person participates in an evil act without intending the evil. The Church teaches that formal cooperation is always wrong, while some forms of material cooperation may be considered permissible.

The Church further distinguishes between immediate and mediate material cooperation. Immediate cooperation is when a person is involved in the essence of the act, even though he or she does not intend it, and is not permissible. Mediate cooperation is when a person's actions are not necessary to the sinful act and which can be either remote or proximate to the act. The Church teaches that some forms of mediate cooperation can be permissible if the intended good outweighs the evil.

"The first thing you have to ask is whether it is the intention of Catholic Charities to promote abortion," Benedictine College moral theology professor John Rziha told CNA.

"If the intention is to promote abortion, it is formal cooperation and evil, and it's always wrong," he continued. "I don't think that's the case here." 

The partnership between Catholic Charities and Cozen O'Connor, according to Rziha, is remote mediate material cooperation because Catholic Charities does not directly give its money to support abortion. In the context of the arrangement, Catholic Charities is significantly removed from the act of abortion itself.

"But that's not the end of the diagnosis," he said. 

According to Rziha, in this case the level of cooperation with evil is "pretty low," and therefore "it wouldn't take a huge good to outweigh it, even though it is a bad action."

However, he continued, "it's a legitimate question whether Catholic Charities is actually undermining what they're doing by contributing to a culture which goes against what the Church teaches." 

Morally permissible for a proportionally grave reason

The Catholic University of America moral theology professor John Grabowski told CNA that some cases of material cooperation can be morally permissible "if there is a proportionally grave reason to tolerate the cooperation with evil." 

One factor Grabowski said could be "morally relevant" in terms of Catholic Charities of Chicago's decision to engage Cozen O'Connor is that the Illinois state government is Democrat-controlled. 

"They might make a prudential judgment and say, 'This firm has a much better chance of being effective in its lobbying because they have definite connections to the people who are in positions of power in state government,'" he explained.

Potential for scandal

Because Catholic Charities provides many health-care-related services, Rziha pointed to the USCCB's Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services, in which U.S. bishops call on Catholic health care providers to consider whether particular collaborative arrangements with non-Catholic institutions entail material collaboration with evil that would give rise to scandal or undermine the Church's witness.

"The bishops, and I think they're right about this, would say … Catholic Charities should come out and attempt to explain what's going on if this is becoming scandalous," he said. "Because if they're not witnessing to the faith and transforming culture as Catholic Charities, then they're actually not doing nearly as much good as they think they are." 

Considering the issue, Rziha distinguished between direct scandal, when a person's actions directly lead somebody else to do evil, and indirect scandal, when a person's actions "contribute to a culture which is anti-Catholic or anti-Christian by its nature."

Ultimately, Catholic Charities engaging a pro-abortion firm can be justified, according to Rziha, so long as the organization can overcome the issue of scandal and ensure that it is not undermining its pro-life witness. "I could understand," he said, echoing Grabowski, that "this is a liberal state government: If [Catholic Charities] trusts this particular lobby firm, this may be the most effective way for it to lobby."

However, he added, "I think that to address the issue of scandal, Catholic Charities should explain why they are choosing this firm and say that they are equivocally against abortion: 'We work against it, and we're trying to transform our culture by helping women to be empowered within the confines of Church teachings.'"

Illinois Right to Life's position

As Illinois Right to Life President Mary Kate Zander sees it, however, Catholic Charities of Chicago has "a responsibility to due diligence" in selecting a lobbying firm that is aligned with the pro-life cause. 

Zander told CNA that Catholic Charities of Chicago CEO Sally Blount had personally assured her of her commitment to life issues when they met several years ago. "If I had the chance, I would encourage her to consider what that commitment looks like in action," she added. 

"Catholic Charities serves pregnant women in need every day," Zander said, adding: "We are failing them if we are contributing to the proliferation of abortion in our state in any capacity."

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CNA Newsroom, Jun 5, 2025 / 10:43 am (CNA).

Follow our live coverage of the pontificate of Pope Leo XIV, first U.S.-born pope in history.

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Vatican City, Jun 4, 2025 / 15:52 pm (CNA).

Pope Leo XIV will gather the cardinals at the Vatican on June 13 to give final approval to the canonizations of eight blesseds whose causes were promoted by Pope Francis.

This event is known as an ordinary public consistory and will be the first of Pope Leo XIV's pontificate. It should be noted that Pope Francis convened it at the end of February, when he was hospitalized at the Gemelli Hospital in Rome, but no date was set.

This ceremony determines the final step of the canonization process through a vote to set the date on which the blessed will be proclaimed a saint.

On Wednesday, the Office of Liturgical Celebrations confirmed the list of blesseds.

Among them is Blessed Bartolo Longo, an Italian layman and lawyer and founder of the Shrine of Our Lady of the Rosary in Pompeii, Italy.

After abandoning spiritualism and Satanist sects, he embraced Catholicism, became a fervent catechist and a man dedicated to assisting those most in need. He is also recognized as one of the 20th century's greatest disseminators of devotion to the rosary.

The June 13 consistory is also expected to vote on the date of canonization of the "doctor of the poor," Venezuelan José Gregorio Hernández.

Also on the list is Peter To Rot, the first blessed from Papua New Guinea, who was killed in World War II for defending marriage.

The cardinals will also decide the date of canonization of Vincenza Maria Poloni, founder of the Sisters of Mercy of Verona, credited with the inexplicable cure of Audelia Parra, a Chilean woman.

Ignazio Choukrallah Maloyan, a bishop martyred in the Armenian genocide of 1915, will also be canonized soon.

María del Monte Carmelo Rendiles Martínez, founder of the Congregation of the Servants of Jesus, is slated to become Venezuela's first female saint. "Mother Carmen," as many knew her, will be remembered for her immense kindness and wise prudence.

Maria Troncatti, a professed religious of the Congregation of the Daughters of Mary Help of Christians. This future saint was an Italian missionary who spent much of her life in Ecuador.

Finally, there is Pier Giorgio Frassati, a lay member of the Third Order of St. Dominic, whose canonization is scheduled for Aug. 3. This adventurer and mountain climber developed a profound love for Christ in the Eucharist and the Virgin Mary from a young age.

In his youth, he devoted himself entirely to serving the poor and sought to evangelize through politics, bringing his friends closer to the faith.

This story was first published by ACI Prensa, CNA's Spanish-language news partner. It has been translated and adapted by CNA.

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Washington, D.C. Newsroom, Jun 4, 2025 / 16:29 pm (CNA).

Bishop Robert Barron sat down with conservative political commentator Tucker Carlson this week to talk about the Catholic faith and discuss some hot cultural topics. Carlson, an Episcopalian, began the June 2 interview by saying that his friends urged him to have Barron on his show. 

"I don't think I've ever received more texts about any guest than I did about you," Tucker told Barron. "From Catholics I know, from non-Catholics I know." 

Barron, founder of Word on Fire Catholic ministries and bishop of the Winona-Rochester Diocese in Minnesota, and Carlson discussed a wide range of subjects, including how to find happiness, prayer, grace, persecution, technology, and the future of the Church.

Finding happiness

The interview began with a discussion about happiness. Carlson cited falling birth rates and increased suicides as evidence of a widespread lack of happiness in the culture.

"The joy of life" comes when "you forget about yourself and you lose yourself in some great value," Barron said. 

"God is the highest good, the 'summum bonum.' That's why you love the Lord your God. That's the First Commandment. But when the culture has lost that, which ours is in danger of, you, by definition, become unhappy," Barron said. 

In order to find happiness, people must let go of their egos and pursue "the good," he said. "The ego is like a black hole … that will draw everything into itself, suck all of life and light and energy into itself. Nothing can escape." 

People who feel unhappiness have "lost a sense of God" and therefore lost "the supreme good," according to Barron. "The best people are those who breathe life into a room. And that happens because they're not preoccupied with the ego. They're captivated by some objective good, and they want to show it to you."

What is true freedom?

The discussion turned to the topic of freedom. 

If we focus too much on choices in our lives, we will "get lost," Barron said.

"I thought the whole point of the West was choices," Carlson responded. 

"But, you have to know what your choice is for," Barron said. "When you deify choice itself, when you say, 'Autonomy, that's my God.' No, choice is for some good."

He continued: "The idea is to order freedom. Freedom is not an end in itself. Freedom is ordered towards some good. When it's disordered, it tends to collapse in upon itself." 

"The whole point of America, I thought, was choice and freedom for its own sake," Carlson responded. 

"Well, and I would argue it's not for its own sake," Barron said. "If that happens to us, something's gone wrong."

Of the founding fathers, Barron said they didn't "have the full Catholic imagination as I would like it, but they certainly had a sense of the objective good, and that the purpose of life is to find that good and be ordered toward it."

"An ordered freedom is what they were interested in, not freedom for its own sake."

"Your freedom has to be disciplined and directed," he continued.

"Our culture, it's … banks to a river, the river has energy. It's going somewhere. You knock down the banks. You say, 'Oh, I don't want to be limited. Don't set limits to my freedom.' It just floods the fields."

When asked by Carlson what are the banks that we've demolished, Barron said: "The life of the mind, the moral good, religious good, aesthetic … When that's lost, the banks are knocked down." 

Barron explained: "The goal for the Bible is not autonomy, it's theonomy." 

"God, 'theos,' … becomes the law of my life … When God becomes the norm of my life, I become more myself. I find who I really am. If I jettison God and I say, 'No, I'm the leader of my own life,' I get lost."

"What does Jesus say? 'The one who loses himself will find it. The one who's trying to hang on to himself is going to lose it.' Lose your freedom in God's greater freedom, and you become now authentically free."

Prayer and God's transcendence

Barron spoke of prayer as a way to let go of ego. "Prayer is a conscious exercise in overcoming autonomy. It's a conscious exercise to say, 'I want to get out of my preoccupations. I'm placing myself in the presence of God.'"

Prayer is a way to "overcome" and "calm the mind," Barron explained. He highlighted that the rosary is a "meditative prayer" that can really help the mind "open up to a deeper consciousness or a deeper awareness." 

When distraction occurs during prayer, Barron instructed people to "acknowledge" it. "Don't try to fight it," he said. "Acknowledge it and then go back."

Related to the topic of the transcendent nature of God, Barron said: "You're not going to find him in the world … you can't say things like, 'Oh, there's no evidence for God,' as though he's a chemical reaction."

"God is, at the same time, as transcendent as you can imagine, not a thing in the world, and as imminent as you can imagine. He's higher than anything I could imagine, and he's closer to me than I am to myself. Now, figure that one out," Barron said.

When Carlson asked if God needs our sacrifice, Barron responded firmly: "He doesn't require it." 

"How could the one who made the entire universe from nothing possibly need anything from it?" Barron said. "It's just a logical contradiction."

"He wants the openness of heart signaled by the sacrifice, because he wants us to be alive. And when we say, Lord, 'I'm opening my heart to you. I'm ordering my life to you in this great sacrifice of praise,' God delights because now we're going to find the joy he wants us to have."

God "needs nothing," Barron said. "We eat the body and drink the blood of Jesus. We consume the sacrifice. It's for our benefit, not for God's."

Christian persecution

During the interview, Barron highlighted the fact that the 20th century has been "the worst century for Christian martyrs [in] all of Christian history."

"Now, around the world, we are by far the most persecuted religion," he said. "It's a crime. It's an outrage. We talk in a demure way about religious liberty in our country, which is indeed under threat, but you want the real threat to religious liberty? It's in different parts of the world. People are being killed for their Christian faith."

Barron pointed to the late-19th-century Pope Leo XIII, who believed "the devil would have a unique control over the 20th century," so he formulated "the famous St. Michael prayer … asking for the protection of Michael, the archangel."

"It's hard to argue" that Leo XIII's premonition was not real, Barron explained. "If you believe in the devil, as I do, and you see what happened in the 20th century, it's hard to imagine it wasn't to some degree."

Religion and violence

When asked if Christianity leads to violence, Barron said: "It's one of the myths of enlightenment historiography that religion is the problem."

There was a "careful study of all the great wars" conducted, Barron said. "And the conclusion was something like 8% could be traced to a religious cause."

"There's the totality of human dysfunction. God's response to that is not to more violence. It's to respond with forgiving love. That's Christianity ... It's not a religion of violence," he said.

Technology and faith

In the course of the more-than-hourlong interview, Barron and Carlson discussed digital technology, social media, and artificial intelligence.

"We're all addicted to [them]," Barron said in reference to smartphones. "Those machines were designed to be addictive."

He highlighted a program whereby priests have given up their phones for a whole year as a part of a study. Barron said the result was that "they all feel liberated."

"They all come back saying, 'It was the best year of my life, and I read books again, and I talked to people. I cultivated friendship. I played games. I played sports … That's almost an illustration of Augustine's 'incurvatus in se,' that I'm 'caved in' over my iPhone."

Barron mentioned another study that found a "direct correlation between screen time and depression," which he said he finds "perfectly plausible." 

"Look how unhealthy it's making our young kids," Barron said. "I think taking those things out of the hands of our kids would be a great idea, at least to some degree."

Later in the interview, however, Barron said "technology is not bad in itself." It becomes a problem when "you couple technology with a sheer celebration of autonomy or a bracketing of God." 

Artificial intelligence is "frightening" Barron said. "It [has] to be grounded in a moral vision … or it will become a Frankenstein's monster." 

We cannot try to "become God" and "decide to dictate terms to reality. It'll turn on us and wreck us," Barron said.

Pope Leo XIV and the future of the Church

When asked what changes Pope Leo XIV may make as the new pontiff, Barron said "I don't know." But he did share that he thinks the pope has "made some interesting gestures" so far. 

Pope Leo's use of Latin and his appearance in the mozzetta on the loggia after his election was a "gesture toward more traditional Catholics," Barron said. 

At the end of the interview, Carlson voiced a paid advertisement of the Catholic prayer app Hallow, a sponsor of the podcast interview, offering listeners a three-month free trial with the code "TUCKER" at Hallow.com/Tucker and promoting the app's consecration to Jesus through St. Joseph.

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CNA Staff, Jun 4, 2025 / 16:59 pm (CNA).

The Trump administration on Tuesday nixed a Biden-era requirement that forced emergency room doctors to perform abortions.  

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), a branch of the Department of Health and Human Services, announced on June 3 that it would rescind the July 2022 guidelines issued under the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA).

That law, originally passed in 1986, was designed to prevent "patient dumping" by requiring Medicare-participating hospitals to provide stabilizing treatment to patients who can't pay for treatment rather than transferring them. The Biden administration expanded the requirements in the wake of the repeal of Roe v. Wade, requiring hospitals to perform abortions as "stabilizing treatment" in emergency situations. 

The government will "continue to enforce" EMTALA "including for identified emergency medical conditions that place the health of a pregnant woman or her unborn child in serious jeopardy," CMS said this week.

In its announcement, the government noted that it "will work to rectify any perceived legal confusion and instability created by the former administration's actions." 

Pro-life, conscience advocates hail decision

Major pro-life voices celebrated the decision, arguing that the Biden-era guidelines promoted abortion and spread pro-abortion disinformation. 

Marjorie Dannenfelser, president of SBA Pro-Life America, called the Tuesday decision "another win for life and truth — stopping Biden's attack on emergency care for both pregnant moms and their unborn children." 

The Biden administration's guidelines were the subject of a lawsuit by the Catholic Medical Association, a national network that promotes Catholic ethics in the medical industry. The group argued that the mandate unlawfully violated conscience rights. 

Alliance Defending Freedom, the legal nonprofit arguing on behalf of the Catholic Medical Association, celebrated the decision, saying that doctors can now "perform their life-giving duties without fear of government officials forcing them to end life and violate their beliefs."

"Doctors — especially in emergency rooms — are tasked with preserving life. The Trump administration has rolled back a harmful Biden-era mandate that compelled doctors to end unborn lives, in violation of their deeply held beliefs," stated ADF Senior Counsel Matt Bowman.

Heritage Foundation Vice President of Domestic Policy Roger Severino celebrated the move, saying that EMTALA under the Biden administration had been "inverted" to "unlawfully mandate abortion nationwide."

"Wide majorities of Americans oppose forcing doctors and hospitals to take innocent human life and this change goes back to respecting conscience and the rule of law," Severino said in a post on X. 

"A stain on America's conscience is now gone, and good riddance," he said. 

Pro-abortion advocates criticized the decision. Jamila Perritt, the president and CEO of the pro-abortion group Physicians for Reproductive Health, said the decision "sends a clear message: The lives and health of pregnant [women] are not worth protecting." 

But Dr. Ingrid Skop, who serves as vice president and director of medical affairs at the Charlotte Lozier Institute, called the decision "welcome news for both of my patients — a pregnant woman and her unborn child." 

In a statement, she criticized the Biden-era guidelines, calling them a "coercive effort … to subvert existing laws to promote abortion." 

"Although I do not perform elective abortions, I have always been able to provide quality care in obstetric emergencies, seeking to preserve the lives of both mother and child," Skop noted.

Dannenfelser emphasized that "pregnant women are protected under pro-life laws" and warned that obfuscating this fact is dangerous for women across the nation. 

"Democrats have created confusion on this fact to justify their extremely unpopular agenda for all-trimester abortion," she said. "In situations where every minute counts, their lies lead to delayed care and put women in needless, unacceptable danger." 

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Washington, D.C. Newsroom, Jun 4, 2025 / 17:06 pm (CNA).

Pope Leo XIV spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin in a phone call Wednesday afternoon.

"The pope made an appeal for Russia to take a gesture that would favor peace, emphasizing the importance of dialogue to create positive contacts between the parties and seek solutions to the conflict," Holy See Press Office Director Matteo Bruni said in a statement.

Bruni told members of the press that the Holy Father appealed to the Russian leader about the humanitarian situation in Ukraine and advocated for the facilitation of aid into affected areas.

The two leaders also discussed Cardinal Matteo Maria Zuppi's efforts to facilitate prisoner exchanges. 

"Pope Leo made reference to Patriarch Kirill, thanking him for the congratulations received at the beginning of his pontificate, and underlined how shared Christian values can be a light that helps to seek peace, defend life, and pursue genuine religious freedom," Bruni added. 

"Gratitude was expressed to the pontiff for his readiness to help settle the crisis, in particular the Vatican's participation in resolving difficult humanitarian issues on a depoliticized basis," the Kremlin said in a statement following the call, according to Reuters. 

The Kremlin's statement further said Putin stressed his belief to the Holy Father "that the Kyiv regime is banking on escalating the conflict and is carrying out sabotage against civilian infrastructure sites on Russian territory."

Pope Leo XIV's first call with Putin comes just over three weeks after his first call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on May 12. At the time, Bruni confirmed the two leaders had spoken after the pope expressed concern for Ukraine during his May 11 Sunday address.

"I carry in my heart the sufferings of the beloved Ukrainian people," Pope Leo had said after singing the Regina Coeli prayer with approximately 100,000 people.

"May everything possible be done to reach an authentic, just, and lasting peace, as soon as possible," the Holy Father continued.

At the time, Zelenskyy shared a photo on X of him purportedly having a telephone call with Pope Leo. After expressing gratitude to the Holy Father "for his support for Ukraine and all our people," Zelenskyy said he and the pope specifically discussed the plight of thousands of children deported by Russia.

"Ukraine counts on the Vatican's assistance in bringing them home to their families," he added. 

Reiterating Ukraine's commitment to work toward a "full and unconditional ceasefire" and the end of the war with Russia, Ukraine's president said he also invited the Holy Father "to make an apostolic visit to Ukraine." 

The final Easter message delivered by Pope Francis the day before his death included a prayer for the embattled country: "May the risen Christ grant Ukraine, devastated by war, his Easter gift of peace and encourage all parties involved to pursue efforts aimed at achieving a just and lasting peace."

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